A Phone, an iPod, an Internet Communicator, and a Full-Featured Task Manager!

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We have all seen how the iPhone enabled applications that weren’t possible before on any mobile device. Wouldn’t it be cool if you could carry all your to-dos in your pocket? Wouldn’t it be cool if you had a powerful responsive task manager wherever you go?

A resounding “Yes” was the answer we gave to ourselves some time ago when we began developing what will become Things touch. Honestly, will any mobile device that you carry around ever be complete without a personal task manager? We didn’t think so either :)

The iPhone and iPod touch are a huge opportunity for developers and an equally huge challenge too.

The opportunity

iPhone and iPod touch constitute a whole new platform with a new distribution model as well – the iTunes app store. These devices are used by many people that have never owned a Mac before and some of them may never will. For a developer there is the potential of reaching a whole new group of customers. Customers that may not know Things already, or are not able to use it because they are on Windows, or may not even bother to use the desktop version at all because Things touch is already more than they bargained for.

Challenges abound

  • The iPhone user interface is completely different from what we have become accustomed to from the desktop. Naturally, we had to recreate the code for the Things touch user interface from scratch. No way to reuse a single line from the desktop version.
  • Due to the unique limitations of the iPhone OS we couldn’t even port the data model code. Yes you assume correctly, a complete rewrite was necessary too.
  • Fraser Speirs has an insightful article on how the market’s ability to establish a fair price for iPhone applications will eventually determine whether there is a sustainable business model for creating them. I bet that we are not the only developer having a hard time determining a price point for our iPhone application. A price point that will enable us to aggressively evolve and support Things touch for a long time to come.

While developing Things touch does draw significant amounts of resources from the desktop version, it is in fact rather beneficial for it too. Recreating Things for the iPhone made simplicity even more predominant. We learned a couple of things from the process that will help us to make the desktop version even better. The same goes for the data model code. Having had the opportunity to incorporate all the lessons we’ve learned from the desktop version resulted in a fresh new code base that will find its way back into Things, providing an even better foundation for its future development.

In the weeks to come, we plan to write more about how Things touch will look like. But if you’d like to get a glimpse of where we are headed, you may want to peek at Chris’ desk :)

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147 Comments

  1. john lilly Jun 02, 2008

    hooray! this is great to hear, and i’ll be first in line at the iphone appstore!

  2. Jeff Smith Jun 02, 2008

    Wow, I’m very much looking forward to this. A mobile GTD app will be just as, if not more valuable to me.

  3. Stefan Nicolin Jun 02, 2008

    This is seriously cool! I’ll be second in line after John at the appstore :)

  4. Chris Andrikanich Jun 02, 2008

    I am so excited, this is just the news I wanted to hear. Things on my iPhone would make me a very happy task manager.

  5. Conrad Jun 02, 2008

    Thanks for another very thoughtful post; I’ve set the photo of Chris’s desk as my wallpaper. What brand of marker do you use, Chris?

  6. Guillermo Alvarez Jun 02, 2008

    I CANT WAIT!!!! This is what I’ve been waiting for.

  7. martijn aslander Jun 02, 2008

    I really can’t wait! Things is the first GTD app that makes it easy to juggle with the flood of tasks… it even makes the juggling fun!

    Things in I-pod touch or Iphone? ASAP!!!!!

    keep up the good work!

  8. justG Jun 02, 2008

    Mine.

  9. Jay Cagle Jun 02, 2008

    Ever since you guys first hinted at Things for the iPhone, I’ve been anxious to see it realized. I’ll be buying my first iPhone soon and Things will definitely be one of my first app purchases. I’m sure it’s going to be great.

    One suggestion / plea: just call it Things, not “Things touch”. My fear is that there are going to be a whole bunch of apps with the “touch” moniker, just like in the early Mac days when every app was MacSomething. Things is such a great name because it reflects the simplicity of the app. There is no need to add touch to it — people will understand that there are different versions for different platforms.

  10. Les Jun 02, 2008

    Fired UP!

  11. Miel Jun 02, 2008

    This is awesome. Fantastic! I will be in line too! Glad I don’t have to sleep in front of the store to get it ASAP :D

  12. Andy Viloria Jun 02, 2008

    I’m salivating! To-dos are things, mostly, you do away from a computer. Just like the old Filofax that you carry arround, but this time, electronically. Mobile GTD will be a killer!

  13. Oliver Jun 02, 2008

    As I said before, in that email:

    I would be glad to beta test it…

    Cheers from Bonn, Oliver

  14. Chris Jun 02, 2008

    @Conrad: I’m using Copic markers. They are a little expensive but the best markers I’ve tried so far (even on cheap paper).

  15. Danny Casteen Jun 02, 2008

    Any target release date, or are we too soon for that? Keep up the great work!!!

  16. Conrad Jun 02, 2008

    Thanks Chris! I’ll start to save up to get a starter set.

  17. dip Jun 02, 2008

    Great!!!

    Will buy iPhone to use Things))))

  18. eFi Jun 02, 2008

    Congratulations! I will buy this stuff (=Things Touch) as soon as it will be available from Hungary.

  19. b22 Jun 02, 2008

    This sounds, and looks, great. Can’t wait for Things on my iPhone.

  20. Bonobo Jun 02, 2008

    Hmm, when I read the article I thought you had the app already finished (“…we HAD TO recreate the code…a complete rewrite WAS necessary…”) and was just expecting a downliad link.

    But now, given that you are only in the process of coding, the part where you state that development will divert significant resources from the desktop version to the mobile version sounds really threatening to me… I understand that a part of the users here highly anticipate a new iphone gimmick and you are eager to broaden your customer base, but wouldn’t it be great to have a functioning 1.0 desktop product first, especially if you charge extra for Things Touch? … please please remedy the current limitations of Things Desktop and ship 1.0…

    Am I the only one who is concerned that we won’t see 1.0 until the cows come home?
    I guess it’s a good GTD practice to actually finish things before starting to do entirely new things :)

  21. Andres Jabois Jun 02, 2008

    Things Touch will be a hit :P. I can’t wait to change my Palm to an iPhone :)

  22. John Jun 02, 2008

    This is way cool, thanks for giving us this insight into the coding and design process.

  23. JamieS Jun 02, 2008

    Looking forward to this! Please ensure this new app syncs wirelessly to the desktop version. Having to dock this to get it synced up with make much less useful for me.

    Please see here:

    http://culturedcode.com/things/forums/read.php?4,2621,2621#msg-2621

  24. eric Jun 02, 2008

    Hi Bonobo. While I understand your concern, I think the additional work on the iPhone app will bring a useful perspective to the desktop application. The UI on the iPhone is pushing how we interact with technology forward and it is no coincidence that Microsoft is already talking about Windows 7 and their implementation of multi-touch. I am glad that the folks at Cultured Code are jumping in now. As long as syncing between the Desktop, a Web App? and iPhone is seamless, I’ll purchase it right away. Great work so far folks! : )

  25. motech Jun 02, 2008

    how will iphone app interact with multi user support and how will it sync back to desktop . .

    im hoping for an over the air type of sync . .

    multi user support is key for team progress on projects . .
    and over the air sync is key for on the road updates . .

  26. Dave Simon Jun 02, 2008

    Love the sketches and how the details are being thought through. Can’t believe you took the time to draw the connection bar on every screen. LOL

  27. Questioner Jun 02, 2008

    Will this require the desktop version of Things to use? It’s a little pricey…

  28. Rick Vlaha Jun 02, 2008

    Things makes tracking progress a pleasurable experience… dare I say addictive? This simple little app has done more to transformed the way I approach my workday than any other tool in my kit. The iPhone app will plug the final hole I have in my ability to be COMPLETELY on top of my tasks.

    I have to say that it’s inspirational to see your sketches and follow your progress. Your transparency is not only refreshing, it creates and sustains a loyalty and trust relationship with your users. Brilliant. Would that the “big boys” followed your lead. Your process should be required reading for all developers.

    Keep it up, CC!

  29. flipdoubt Jun 02, 2008

    Sweet!

  30. Brendan Stromberger Jun 02, 2008

    Hey, can you tell me about those sketching tools you’re using? The brands and whatnot… I’ve gotta get my hands on some of those!

  31. pitmac Jun 02, 2008

    Wow,
    it looks very good.

    I’m a iPhone user from the first launch, but i’m the same opinion as @bonobo.

    Please finish at first the desktop version to 1.0.

    Afterwards it will be funtastic to get sync support and viewing the items on a iPhone.

    By the way,
    you did a very good work:-)

  32. Anne Jun 02, 2008

    Every morning and evening, while riding the train to and from work, I think of one million to dos, and resort to typing them into my iphone note pad, but of course forget to sync them when I reach my destination. I cannot wait for this tool!

  33. Yonghwee Jun 02, 2008

    I’ll definitely buy your app once it’s on the iTunes App Store.

  34. Chris Jun 02, 2008

    @Brendan: I’m using Copic markers, made in Japan by a company called Too. This is the second time I’m advertising them here in the comments. Anyone from Too reading this blog? I wouldn’t mind a free refill, warm gray W0 to W4 are drying out ;)

  35. Christoph Jun 02, 2008

    O M G youre the best!!!

  36. spongefile Jun 02, 2008

    Wow. Even your sketches are pretty.

  37. Todd Zaki Warfel Jun 03, 2008

    Hey guys, I’m working on a prototyping book and was wondering if I could reference this for the chapter on prototyping for mobile devices? I’d love to include your sketches and photos above and any future articles you have about this.

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  39. Frank Jun 03, 2008

    Nice going!

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  42. Jens Krahe Jun 03, 2008

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  44. Bensan Jun 03, 2008

    Ever since I discovered your GTD application, I have looked forward, I was hoping that you would bring something out for the iPhone. Tasks don’t get spawned while at your desktop but when you are on the go. Of all the reasons, I am going to be purchasing an iPhone you’re mobile application is definitely up there. I will be following the development of Things Touch very closely.

    Keep up the great work!

  45. Blair C. Jun 03, 2008

    Well, I’d just like to echo what has been said here. I’ve been using Things since the Beta was first launched and ever since I bought my iPhone I have been looking forward to using things on it. It is the perfect melding of form and function. A beautiful yet extremely useful program on a a beautiful yet extremely useful piece of hardware. What’s the best way to get updates on this project’s progress?

  46. Dan Jun 03, 2008

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  48. Susan Robbins Jun 03, 2008

    How absolutely delicious and tantalizing… I am looking forward to having Things on my iPhone, and the day when I can delete the page in Notes that I’ve titled “Add to Things.” Thank you so much for the wonderful work you’ve done.

  49. Chris Jun 03, 2008

    Wow! Thanks for the teaser! I really love the marker sketches of the UI; really inspiring for some reason.

    Have any more images/videos of the sketches you’d like to post?

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  51. Paul Robinson Jun 04, 2008

    The paper prototype is so beautiful.

    Put it on a tee and hand them out at WWDC! I would love to wear one.

  52. Answerer Jun 04, 2008

    Looks great guys. Can’t wait to see more.

    “Will this require the desktop version of Things to use? It’s a little pricey…”

    30 dollars less than omnifocus. Not pricey.

  53. jeremy Jun 04, 2008

    not trying to put a negative to this lovely news, but…

    the way the blog was written, it sounds like the app is still in its planning stages and the way Things desktop was moving along, the Things mobile would not be available in the near future (meaning july or august at the earliest).

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  55. fingerprinu Jun 04, 2008

    Sounds great … however, I would focus first to get your desktop version up and running. Your beta phase is rather on the long side. Focus guys, or your lost.

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  57. Lori123 Jun 04, 2008

    Been using THINGS for just over a week and it beats anything out there. Good looking, simple to access atc. Been using ’43 actions’ to date as it works on line for both laptop and iphone. But this is far better. When will we be live for iphone? Looks great, cant wait.

  58. blucaso Jun 05, 2008

    Oh.. I was reading the comments and was confused, but I just realized that you had set the price for Things on the main page. I think you’re right on target with the price point.

    As for suggestions on Things for the iPhone, I guess it depends on two things – capabilities (especially syncing with the desktop version through a .Mac-type connection) and requirement of Things desktop or not?

    If it requires the full Desktop to be purchased, I think probably $20-30 is the right range (US). If it’s capable of stand-alone functioning, I’d say more like $30-45, especially if it ends up being just as capable as the desktop version. Just my thoughts though.

  59. Jürgen Jun 05, 2008

    @Jay Cagle, we only used the name “Things touch” for the sake of discussing and comparing it with the desktop version. It is a little awkward to always write “Things for the iPhone and iPod touch”. But on the iPhone or iPod touch it will be just “Things”. After all an application on a small device shouldn’t have long name :).

    @Danny Casteen, @jeremy, @Lori123, we will keep everyone posted on our progress. Right now we plan to have something to show by the end of June.

    @Bonobo, @pitmac, @fingerprinu, we plan to finish both version at roughly the same time. We plan to have Things touch in the iTunes store as soon as possible. The desktop release will follow shortly after that. But our open development process will continue beyond that bringing frequent 1.x updates.

    @JamieS, @motech, please find my response as a post to this forum topic iPhone version of Things.

    @Questioner, Things touch will not require the desktop version. It is a full-featured self-contained task manager.

    @Blair C., updates will be posted on Twitter and this blog.

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  61. rob Jun 05, 2008

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  65. Laurent Jun 06, 2008

    Go guys, this app is going to be brilliant, and so far your pricing is fair. Keep it up, keep up the good code, ease of use and pretty to look at mantra that seems to carry this project. Being able to use it out of the box is the #1 reason why i kept this and tossed the others. No need to step into the paradox of having to bend over backwards to learn a new software while i’m supposed to be ploughing through things thanks to GTD, i find that quite anti-GTD. You seem right on track.

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  67. Aaron Willis Jun 09, 2008

    The Things alpha release really allowed me to learn the GTD system in an amazing way. You guys have continually improved this product, and it shows everytime you open the app. I will be buying the desktop AND mobile version of Things the minute they are available. Thanks so much!

    p.s. – and as far as feature requests, if you could make Things integrate with my bathroom shower, that way I could just outline my day in there, that would be great.

  68. Anonymous Jun 10, 2008

    Are you not concerned about the NDA you signed? Personally, I’m glad at least one developer has had the cahones to say “Yes, I’m making something for the iphone and it looks like this” but I;m concerned you’ll get slapped with a penalty that may delay or forbid your product from being sold through the app store…

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  70. Morgan Daly Jun 11, 2008

    Very, very exciting!

    I love things and to have it in my pocket would just be gold.

    Seriously, when can I start paying for things? You guys deserve it now.

  71. Ross Hill Jun 11, 2008

    I’m looking forward to picking up an iPhone July 11th and can’t wait to be able to sync Things with it!

  72. Danny Casteen Jun 11, 2008

    Does anyone know how, and if sync will be even possible with the new “mobileme” approach apple has taken?

  73. Squidio Jun 11, 2008

    Great, i look forward on it

  74. ZingerSteve Jun 12, 2008

    I don’t know how pricing on the iPhone app store will work but I have a suggestion. Perhaps you could offer a discount to people who are already users of the desktop version. Just a thought since you already have so many loyal fans (including me).

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  77. William Henderson Jun 14, 2008

    Here’s to Things being the first task-manager I can commit to by being truly ubiquitous. This assuming over-the-air syncing, of course. Without it, I will not even consider Things. Simple, beautiful UIs go far, but with task-management, ubiquity is king.

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  79. frnx Jun 16, 2008

    I want it ! I need it ! Please finish it and publish it ! Very good job men !

  80. cloftis130 Jun 16, 2008

    I can’t wait to see where you guys go with this. I will be one of the first in line at the AppStore. I love what you have done with the desktop version and if there is syncing possibilities….don’t even get me started on how excited I will be concerning Things Touch.

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  83. Eric Genesoto Jun 19, 2008

    YES! YES! YES! I am seriously considering switching carriers to get the iPhone and Things is now the #1 reason. I started to use Things a few months ago and LOVED it… but my usage dropped after a couple weeks because I couldn’t take it with me. I can’t wait to go back.

    My advice: Continue with your plan of releasing Things Touch ASAP. For many like myself, this is not just a “nice to have” addition, but a needed part of the whole.

    Also, PLEASE MAKE SURE IT SYNCS OVER THE AIR. This will be a MUST for seemless integration with the desktop app, IMHO.

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  85. Nate Smith Jun 19, 2008

    Don’t forget to leverage the GPS for areas! Can’t wait for this!

  86. ckj Jun 19, 2008

    today I switched from OmniFocus to Things and now I can’t wait for the iPhone client! Good job “Jungs”!

  87. olof Jun 19, 2008

    I’ve been using “shop list” as my GTD app on the iPhone for quite some time now. Not 100% but free, and really really simple.

  88. David Z Jun 19, 2008

    With Things on the iPhone you have just won me over in my decision whether to buy Things or not. Looking forward to the iPhone release!!

  89. bill radtke Jun 19, 2008

    I’m suprised apple hasn’t contacted you to encourage the development of the app.

    I’m convinced it could be a life changer for many people.

    I will buy. Add me to the line…

  90. Marco Jun 20, 2008

    finally, the most beauttiful app on the mac on the iphone… How is it goin to sync? through mobileme and will it psh?

  91. Phil Jun 20, 2008

    I think this is a worthwhile investment. Please do blog about what you learn in the development of your first iPhone application – many of us are interested.

  92. Dain Jun 23, 2008

    This is so awesome. I am officially in love with CultureCode. I love Things, and as a UI designer, iPhone geek and traditional artist, I want to marry you and have your babies.

  93. Frank Jun 24, 2008

    So excited I had to comment even though I rarely comment. I came to your site looking for this. July 11th gets closer every day. I’m about 35% more psyched because of this news. Thanks for Things. It is a huge help to me.

  94. Lori123 Jun 26, 2008

    Would love an update on the progress of the launch of Things Touch – the end of june is almost here … are we really a few days away from this fab app on iphone? Come on put us out of our misery! Want to pay you …

  95. kurt Jun 30, 2008

    I’m currently using Remember The Milk. I am a former Things user. I had to make the switch because of the killer iPhone interface of RTM and the fact that its instantly synced (because its a web app). Accessing it from any of my 3 machines, or any machine for that matter, is of utmost importance to me. That’s the only reason I made the switch. I really love the Things desktop UI. It made a lot of sense to me, was easy to use, and it just works. I miss the UI, but RTM’s ability to be instantly synced across my devices ultimately swayed me. However, when Things is officially released, I’m in at $39 if the iPhone app doesn’t go over $20 and it syncs instantly and wirelessly as RTM. RTM is free, and the Pro version that unlocks the iPhone interface is $25. So they have a definite advantage when it comes to price. If Things doesn’t sync OTA, I’ll have to stick with RTM. Regardless, you guys have a great product. Keep it up!

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  98. Chris Jul 07, 2008

    Will the Things for iPhone be debuting this Friday on the Appstore??

  99. Lori123 Jul 08, 2008

    It’s all gone very quiet … CC people are usually pretty quick to respond to our mutterings; perhaps Chris is right! we may be appeased on Friday with a Things Touch premier! Fingers crossed. Cant wait!

  100. Jürgen Jul 08, 2008

    Lori you are very observant. We keep our fingers crossed too…

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  104. martinjy Jul 16, 2008

    Very happy with Things for desktop. Also very happy (after the first 3 days, anyway) with Things for my iPod Touch … except for two, er, things:

    1. No sync between the two.
    2. No tags on Things Touch.

    Any plans to release those features sometime soon?

    Thanks for such a great app,
    Marty

  105. martinjy Jul 16, 2008

    Sorry, should have read this post.

    :-)

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  107. Denny Jul 22, 2008

    It”s Good App for iphone.but i hope iphone 3 g will suppord in my country.btw good luck

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